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Big spam attack

There was a flood of spam articles (500k+). Removing them now. Hopefully without too many side effects. Guaka (talk) 16:14, 2 August 2015 (CEST)

Spam is one thing, how about DDoS-attacks? Are you using any serious protection yet (based on the outside IP you're using CloudFlare, I know some folks there, which is a good sign)? --Huggi (talk) 10:15, 27 August 2015 (CEST)

Articles in other languages

I wrote some articles in french but don't know how to deal with different langages Peace --Gilgamesh67 (talk) 12:47, 17 March 2013 (CET)

For now it's okay to just add [[Category:Français]] to all articles with text in French. We can probably make an overview page with all of these. A {{français}} template could also come in handy. If at some point we have enough in French I can look into setting up a separate wiki but it's too early for that now. Guaka (talk) 16:42, 17 March 2013 (CET)
I would opt in for doing the language separation serious from the beginning, but I'm not fluent with french. I have my basics in german, italian, spanish and some english. I'm also interested in traditional and simplified chinese as I live in these region. Thanks! --Huggi (talk) 10:17, 27 August 2015 (CEST)

To list veg restaurants or not to list?

Linking to other places is great but why remove all the info here? I wanna create a free and adfree Veganwiki Android app for offline use. And it would be nice to have this information on it. Maybe we should add "last checked" dates such as on Trashwiki? Guaka (talk) 21:41, 17 April 2013 (CEST)

I agree. It would be really helpful for some people to have a list of vegan friendly places already in this wiki without the need to go to happycow or somewhere else. Also, that's the only wiki as far as I know where such information is collected, and anyone can improve it. The problem with happycow is that you have to register, fill all kinds of forms, your additions are reviewed (which takes time) and only then appear on the page. I would really like to see this getting more open, and vegan wiki could be one of the platforms where that happens.
To improve our lists, as Guaka suggested, we can add "last checked" information. If a list of a certain city becomes too long, we can create a new page "List of vegan friendly places in ______". Some users might also want to create individual pages of some vegan restaurants with their history, photos, reviews, etc.--Linas (talk) 01:41, 18 April 2013 (CEST)
You guys might be right. However, there are some clear advantages of HappyCow listings when it comes to veg.restaurants. We can try to put all the pros and cons on the table:
HappyCow listings are better because:
* they have integrated maps
* there are personal reviews, with rating possibility
* they are more precise and up-to-date
* there is an Android app with integrated maps showing the nearest veg.places to your chosen location.
* registration
* not so open (additions have to be reviewed)
* confusing with all the non-vegan-related adds around.
The history and realities of internet marketing show that if some project has some original features that no one else has, it can get big and successfull while other projects fade away (for example, Facebook right now barely has any serious competitors, not even Google+). Unless we implement all or most of the above mentioned "pros" there is a big chance our listings of veg.places will never come close to be usefull for anyone as HappyCow offers much better service of that kind of information. Nonetheless, I am ready to continue listing veg restaurants on Veganwiki if you can explain me your VISION how Veganwiki can make its veg restaruants listings successful. (For example, is there any possibility to implement rating system on Veganwiki, with users rating veg.places from one to five stars, or similar?) --Sigurdas (talk) 12:52, 18 April 2013 (CEST)
I agree that happycow has more features, and it is naive to think that a bunch of enthusiasts here at veganwiki can make something better at this moment. Nevertheless I don't see any harm if we provide a list of vegan friendly places here, too. As our project grows, we might add ratings, comments, maps, etc. latter. --Linas (talk) 09:44, 20 April 2013 (CEST)
Of course we can do that. The question rather is (for me personally) would it be worth spending lots of time doing that instead of focusing on other things, both here on Veganwiki (like on general descriptions of vegan-friendliness in localities, activism, history, concepts, etc) and in "real life". I think first we should define a clear vision for Veganwiki and have a plan how to implement everything we want, so that Veganwiki in the future could become a valuable source of information for world vegans. --Sigurdas (talk) 10:01, 20 April 2013 (CEST)
I've often found myself in front of a closed restaurant because of Happy Cow listings. If I see "wiki" I'd probably check before going somewhere.
I'm really not a fan of Happy Cow's Android app or website. I think it's good it's there but I personally hardly ever use it (even though there's some good information on it). I will be using Veganwiki however.
I see this as a Hitchbase "vs" Hitchwiki thing, I think Hitchbase was there when Hitchwiki started and had some information. And this was no reason not to start Hitchwiki :)
We shouldn't simply copy all listings from Happy Cow for a city, but if I'm in a city myself (like Berlin) and I know about a place I'll add it here.
If Veganwiki can actually make money advertising 100% vegan products I'll be very tempted to spend time working out maps and ratings (or pay Mikael to do so :) And this is more likely to happen if we simply start by adding restaurants already. It might even be feasible to use the code for (written by Mikael) and make that more generic. Guaka (talk) 15:04, 27 April 2013 (CEST)

I've actually gained some experience working with Semantic MediaWiki and this could be a good way for adding restaurants and even reviews. Guaka (talk) 15:06, 27 April 2013 (CEST)


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Nicely done with these forms (City, etc.). I like the semantic touch on this wiki. I wonder though how are we going to do with reviews: reviews are personal and the one you left for example on Vöner in Berlin is something that can depend visit to visit, and something that others can disagree with. Therefore if we leave reviews, we should make it clear who left them, and give a technical possibility for someone else to make another review. Right now it is impossible. --Sigurdas (talk) 16:18, 18 May 2013 (CEST)

Thanks :) I'm actually considering one article per restaurant, that would make it quite easy to leave reviews and it would also make it possible (easier) to show places on a map in a city. What do you think? Guaka (talk) 17:27, 18 May 2013 (CEST)
One article per restaurant with a separate review section would be a good solution. I vote for it :-) A bit related issue – what is the map in Berlin article for? Can we somehow tag city's vegan restaurants in it, or is it only for people to know how Berlin looks in general? --Linas (talk) 02:00, 19 May 2013 (CEST)
I was trying to get restaurants on the map but ran into a limitation of Semantic MediaWiki, or my knowledge of it. Moving restaurants to separate articles will resolve this :) Guaka (talk) 14:33, 19 May 2013 (CEST)
I see. Still, it would be very nice to have city map with all its restaurants tagged in it. E.g. if I come to Berlin and go to certain area, I could check what vegan restaurants are around instead of checking each individual restaurant. But I understand that might be technically challenging feature to implement. --Linas (talk) 02:46, 20 May 2013 (CEST)
Almost there, just requires some more fiddling with SMW stuff. There's already a proper map on restaurant articles, e.g. Sfizy Veg, I'll probably fix the map for city articles later this week. Guaka (talk) 15:16, 20 May 2013 (CEST)
Even before the implementation of forms I was in favour of separate articles for each restaurant - now it is even more reason to do that. Great job, Guaka, I agree with your actions and Linas' thoughts. --Sigurdas (talk) 14:49, 21 May 2013 (CEST)
I started project:todo to keep track of things :) Guaka (talk) 15:49, 21 May 2013 (CEST)
I looked a bit more into that "display_point" thing and found out that is quite easy to make it show multiple tags. Have a look at Veganwiki:Sandbox. We can also add information to each tag that pops out when someone clicks the red icon (try the bottom one!). Therefore we can easily create city maps with all restaurants tagged in one map. What we need is to automatically: 1) collect what restaurant pages are related to a particular city; 2) take all needed information from each restaurant's article; 3) add it to city's map. If that's too complicated, we can make city maps manually (at least at first). What you think? --Linas (talk) 03:14, 25 May 2013 (CEST)

There's some work left to do but is already useful for finding freely usable images :) Guaka (talk) 02:35, 23 May 2013 (CEST)

Country forms/templates

What do we need in country articles? Guaka (talk) 00:13, 22 December 2013 (GMT)